tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post2779418188258671421..comments2023-12-03T20:07:04.781+11:00Comments on Lexicon Harlot: "What I have been doing the last few days, complete with bodily fluids", by Lexicon HarlotAlexis, Baron von Harlothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-32049462851254011552007-05-10T18:33:00.000+10:002007-05-10T18:33:00.000+10:00"There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the..."There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind."<BR/><BR/>-Duke Ellington.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if a discussion about the canon or "genius" is what you're looking for right now, but I do take your point about terms like greatness having much to do with the way one chooses to define greatness. I wouldn't, incidentally, come at it from the "sympathy enlargement" angle. And of course I would concur that particular works are given prominence by particular people at particular times for particular cultural ends.<BR/>But I would still suggest that there are some works which are at least trying to do something powerful and true (works of both "high" and popular culture) and some works which attempt rather less. That absolutely glorious experience of reading something and being excited and exhilarated by the intellectual capacity of another human being is the principal reason why I study what I do- and it does feel like something beyond (I say that and my book is about materialism and aesthetics!). I don't suggest that there should be a prescriptive list of books one has to read or that one should devote oneself to ranking great works- but there is that lovely experience of "greatness", which one can find in many spheres and which I really don't want to give up.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I just have an "enlarged sympathy" for curmudgeonly old men!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-38278299301253704462007-05-10T17:24:00.000+10:002007-05-10T17:24:00.000+10:00But now I will ask you what it is that makes a boo...But now I will ask you what it is that makes a book great, and you will tell me something (say, the capacity to enlarge our sympathies), and I will say: then let us talk about sympathy enlargement (or some less ugly expression), not greatness. Is that so?<BR/><BR/>I'm not anti-White. I liked The Aunt's Story, mostly, until the end where it deliquesces into madness (which I know was interesting and blah, but I felt very alienated by the sudden abandonment of coherent plot). I certainly don't want to tear him down, but he's not someone I seek out.<BR/><BR/>About the email: of course. Bless you.Alexis, Baron von Harlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-12544536540626084182007-05-10T17:08:00.000+10:002007-05-10T17:08:00.000+10:00I don't believe in a universal standard for litera...<I>I don't believe in a universal standard for literary greatness</I><BR/><BR/>I kinda do, which may surprise and displease you, Alexis. And I also like White.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to have to be very rude and not reply to your email. I hope you'll understand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-15130155263304952202007-05-10T16:57:00.000+10:002007-05-10T16:57:00.000+10:00Ha! I wish I were accused of committing literature...Ha! I wish I were accused of committing literature.Alexis, Baron von Harlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-29235400164130097692007-05-10T16:55:00.000+10:002007-05-10T16:55:00.000+10:00Well, in retrospect I probably shouldn't have used...Well, in retrospect I probably shouldn't have used terms like 'great' or 'idolised', etc, because of the problems you talked about here. I just couldn't think of a simple way of talking about the way in which White seems to be eulogised and celebrated in the papers as our literary star. (For instance, in the recent 'Wraith Picket scandal'). <BR/><BR/>Did you ever read Hal Porter's review of White's autobiography? It's hilarious. He says of White:<BR/><BR/><I>He commits literature.</I><BR/><BR/>In return, White called him something like 'That great green sack of pus'.TimThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333303180015967125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-70569379902118206072007-05-10T16:28:00.000+10:002007-05-10T16:28:00.000+10:00I don't think White wrote "great" literature, but ...I don't think White wrote "great" literature, but what I mean by that is that I don't like his writing as much as I like the writing of lots of other people. I don't believe in a universal standard for literary greatness, which I know will displease you, Tim, so I'll just clarify that I do believe there are books we can positively say have been more or less influential in shaping the literary culture we have today. We can more or less quantify lots of things about literature - even such nebulous things as originality - but greatness isn't one of them.Alexis, Baron von Harlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-29859039180379648542007-05-10T13:14:00.000+10:002007-05-10T13:14:00.000+10:00I'm playing devil's advocate. For a while now, I'v...I'm playing devil's advocate. <BR/><BR/>For a while now, I've been wondering about how great a great Patrick White really is. There always seemed to me to be a hint of European snobbery in the Nobel Prize decision to award Patrick White 'For having introduced a new continent into literature'; and for all his famous grouchiness, I suspect White may have been quite happy with this description. Whether the rest of Australians should be happy with it is another question entirely: how much of the poetry of Hope, or the literature of McCauley, or the history of Manning Clark (for instance) are we supposed to ignore for this claim about White's literature to ring true?TimThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333303180015967125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-71911952192699109162007-05-10T12:44:00.000+10:002007-05-10T12:44:00.000+10:00Are you suggesting that we should stand up proud a...Are you suggesting that we should stand up proud and embrace our cultural cringe? Celebrate it as part of our national identity? That those who do otherwise, by canonising Paddy W, are crushing into the dust our nationally important sense of inferiority?<BR/><BR/>I'm not quite sure I follow.Alexis, Baron von Harlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-56761272164499183182007-05-10T12:32:00.000+10:002007-05-10T12:32:00.000+10:00Couldn't you argue that exaltation of Patrick Whit...Couldn't you argue that exaltation of Patrick White is just a cultural cringe from the cultural cringe?TimThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333303180015967125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-41406041470232195652007-05-10T11:05:00.000+10:002007-05-10T11:05:00.000+10:00Oh Paddy. That reminds me, vis à vis Mr White, I t...Oh Paddy. That reminds me, vis à vis Mr White, I tried explaining to the Amerikanians about cultural cringe. For some reason the concept of an internalised sense of national inferiority was hard for 'em to grasp.Alexis, Baron von Harlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-37708655056265467532007-05-10T10:44:00.000+10:002007-05-10T10:44:00.000+10:00Nay there's nothing at all somewhat snooty 'bout M...Nay there's nothing at all somewhat snooty 'bout Ms Truss! Sorry, but I willn't hear it. And as for Paddy, and speaking of snooty, please allow me to share this:<BR/><BR/>In all directions stretched the Great Australian Emptiness, in which the mind is the least of possessions, in which the rich man is the important man, in which the schoolmaster and the journalist rule what intellectual roost there is, in which beautiful youths and girls stare at life through blind blue eyes, in which teeth fall like autumn leaves, the buttocks of cars grow hourly glassier, food means steak and cake, muscles prevail, and the march of material ugliness does not raise a quiver from the average nerves. It was the exaltation of the "average" that made me panic. - "The Prodigal Son"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-31509298653729996232007-05-10T10:29:00.000+10:002007-05-10T10:29:00.000+10:00Miss Eagle, verily, you are too kind, but I think ...Miss Eagle, verily, you are too kind, but I think Lynne Truss has beaten me to it, with her inimitable (if somewhat snooty) _Eats, Shoots & Leaves_. I now tout Oxford commas wherever I go.<BR/><BR/>Tim, if you're having trouble with your colon, it may be because you've left the full stopper in.Alexis, Baron von Harlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-41163499583826251302007-05-10T10:25:00.000+10:002007-05-10T10:25:00.000+10:00"Lardy dah"! Emmy, this is a strictly vegetable-oi..."Lardy dah"! Emmy, this is a strictly vegetable-oils-only blog.<BR/><BR/>Needless to say, Jeany-lou Winterson wins hands down over Paddy W every time. And where is her Nobel Prize for Literature, I asks you?Alexis, Baron von Harlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-20663139040264082952007-05-10T10:21:00.000+10:002007-05-10T10:21:00.000+10:00Hi Hanna! I ain't seen Hal at Readings, but I've o...Hi Hanna! I ain't seen Hal at Readings, but I've only been there twice, both times on Tuesday evenings, both for book launches. It's quite a lot like Better Read than Dead, or maybe more Gleebooks. As I was walking back down Lygon St I met a 40-ish fellow in a nice hat who works there too, called Daniel, I think, and I showed him my deep empathy for bookshop galley slaves by quoting all my ex-housemate's (viz., your) tales of encounters with wayward customers.<BR/><BR/>I know exactly the cauliflower dish you're talking about, although I think there might be a bit of oil involved too.Alexis, Baron von Harlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675225579658733004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-73891992225526976002007-05-10T09:52:00.000+10:002007-05-10T09:52:00.000+10:00Fancy apostrophising Jay Dubb and Paddy Dubb in on...Fancy apostrophising Jay Dubb and Paddy Dubb in one foul swoop.Your a bit lardy dah for all intensive purposes now arnt you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-76882147607917407462007-05-10T07:33:00.000+10:002007-05-10T07:33:00.000+10:00GAH! The difference between a cat and a COMMA!GAH! <BR/><BR/>The difference between a cat and a COMMA!TimThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333303180015967125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-826059141278894202007-05-10T07:31:00.000+10:002007-05-10T07:31:00.000+10:00Yes, from the minute that I get up in the morning ...Yes, from the minute that I get up in the morning until I go to bed, I have this great straining tightening feeling inside - a NEED TO PARSE. I go to the toilet, but it doesn't help. Maybe I should see a grammarian about my colons...<BR/><BR/>It's probably been discussed here already, but do you know the riddle about grammar? 'What's the difference between a cat and a colon'... <BR/><BR/>One has claws at the end of its paws,<BR/>The other's a pause at the end of a clause.TimThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333303180015967125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-73627232244246290512007-05-10T07:08:00.000+10:002007-05-10T07:08:00.000+10:00Dear LH, are you ipod-ing or otherwise publishing ...Dear LH, are you ipod-ing or otherwise publishing the Great Apostrophe Harangue. This is one of the great needs of a couple of parsing-deprived generations as well as a need of the preceding generations who wish to harangue the apostroph-confused.<BR/><BR/>Blessings and blissAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05972285659958872775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-21894456803809063412007-05-09T22:17:00.000+10:002007-05-09T22:17:00.000+10:00That makes two for the 'pause. Any takers for thr...That makes two for the 'pause. Any takers for three?<BR/><BR/>'Jeanette Winterson plus narrative drive'? Now that sounds good.Shelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03417138778733226637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7492889481663521911.post-31462953082334434872007-05-09T20:40:00.000+10:002007-05-09T20:40:00.000+10:00Hey Lex did you know that our Hal works at Reading...Hey Lex did you know that our Hal works at Readings? Seen her there lately?<BR/><BR/>By the way, the best cauliflower dish ever is Lebanese style, baked very, very slowly in the ofen and then served with (I think) nothing much but lemon juice and salt and pepper. Yumo.Torshyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619345210034606549noreply@blogger.com